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10/02/2006

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Christopher Sorrentino

Dan,

As you surmise, my comment on Scott's blog was intended merely to point out that the term "experimental" is just nebulous enough to consign -- or to allow to be consigned -- vast amounts of fiction to cult status; certainly nothing "regular readers" would be interested in. This has nothing to do with skittishness: why would a writer embrace a label that describes nothing, neither process nor product, and can only be used against him or her as a weapon? My naming of Marcus and Franzen was not an endorsement of either's claim to innovation, but simply a reference to the article Ben wrote in Harper's that focused, in part, on Franzen's well-known attitude toward "difficult" work, particularly that of William Gaddis. I could have named many others. Certainly my father loathed being called an experimental writer.

Writers also reject the term because, as you suggest, the spirit of "experimentation" has little to do with what impels a writer to move in a new direction, and even less to do with what ends up on the printed page. The Mad Scientist idea is enchanting as hell; I love the image of a writer -- an unskittish writer of course -- sitting down to work in the morning with the damn-the-torpedoes intention of deforming the ideogram each and every time out, but I think B.S. Johnson may have had it exactly right when he said, "where I depart from convention, it is because the convention has failed."

Jimmy Beck

If memory serves, I read that when he was a student at Iowa, TC Boyle had a conversation with his teacher John Cheever, in which Cheever insisted that his own work was indeed experimental.

Dan Green

Actually, I think some of Cheever's work *is* experimental--or at least unconventional.

James Chapman

you're right that some of us who're associated with JEF don't mind "experimental" that much--oddly because it refers back to a long tradition, and we identify with the tradition--but i do feel like the term's taken as shorthand for a specific moment around 1970. and we're not all in that place.

i'm happier referring to "advanced fiction" just to try to indicate that the work is for readers who know very well that they're capable of harder and more unexpected reading.

but these are journalistic/promotional terms, more than ways of thinking.

Eckhard Gerdes

I've personally never thought of "experimental fiction" as a pejorative term. We have a choice, each of us, to be leaders or followers, to either push into new territory or just follow orders. Certainly the rewards for following the orders mandating Aristotelean plot structure and the primacy of character development and such are more lucrative than forging into unknown territory. Even with a rough map, if we push into the unknown, surprises occur. Those surprises are the great joy of writing. At least for me. I personally find no joy in writing by prescription. So, of course, if I want to say something new and say it in a new way, my work has to be experimental. That shouldn't be a terrifying concept.

meika

I am proud to be experimental.

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